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Friday, August 8, 2008
Russia invades Georgia: an Archduke Ferdinand moment?
Posted by John Keller
Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers rolled across the Georgian border yesterday in a fast-moving armored blitzkrieg in support of Georgian separatist rebels fighting in opposition to the democratic and Western-leaning established government of Georgia.
CNN is reporting that upwards of 1,000 Georgian civilians have been killed so far, and Russian warplanes have dropped bombs on at least one Georgian military air base. This isn't a little border clash; these two countries are in an all-out war. No one has seen this kind of Russian incursion since the Soviet Union's invasions of Afghanistan in 1979, of Czechoslovakia in 1968, and of Hungary in 1956. Is this the beginning of a return to the bad old days?
Interesting that this comes the day before the Olympics open in Beijing, and the U.S. is in the heat of a presidential election. What better timing to ensure that nobody in the U.S. or the West cares much about this military invasion. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili says the Russian timing is no accident. I don't think it's any accident either.
Saakashvili made clear in an interview today that this incident represents a test of Western support for democratic governments, especially those established in the sphere of influence of the old Soviet Union, as Georgia certainly is.
Georgia has voiced its wish to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, better-known as NATO. Russia has said this would be unacceptable.
Russia has put its money and military might where its mouth is. The most fundamental geopolitical question in the world today is will the West do the same? Would it make sense for the U.S. to get involved in the Russian-Georgia War, which Russia will claim is an internal conflict and Georgia will claim is naked armed aggression against an independent democratic country?
The only thing between U.S. air bases in Iraq and the Georgian capital of T'bilisi is the country of Turkey. Would the Turks grant permission to U.S. planes to overfly its territory in support of Georgia? That's no clear. Would U.S. aircraft carriers -- they're not there already -- move into the Eastern Mediterranean -- or even into the Black Sea -- within striking distance of Georgia? We'll have to see.
The bigger question is would we want to do this? The answer is, we would if we would like the world to take the U.S. and its rhetoric supporting democratic movements and governments seriously.
Next question: COULD we get involved while U.S. forces are already stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan, and on the opening day of the Olympics? That would be ugly. We'll see if the Bush Administration has the stomach for it.
In the meantime, I'm reflecting on the history of the early 20th century. In the summer of 1914, a Serbian terrorist shot and killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo. A series of interlocking alliances were activated, resulting in an invasion of Western Europe by German and Austrian armies, resulting in World War I, which resulted in 20 million deaths.
I wonder if the Russian invasion of Georgia is an Archduke Ferdinand moment. I hope it's not, but smaller things have resulted in global conflagrations. The risks and threats posed by the Russian invasion throughout the world are huge.
I'll be keeping a close eye.
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The only problem is that Georgia invaded Ossetia... the Ossets are not Georgians... and the Georgian army killed more than a 1000 civilians...
ReplyDeleteall of them Ossetians...
The Russians are no angels... but in this case it is Shaakashvili's immaturity is the problem... even Bush thinks so...
With this conflict erupting, John McCain stands out as the only clear choice for American voters. Why? Because he understands Vladimir Putin.
ReplyDeleteOh God, give me a break. Georgians are killing civilians and conducting ethnic cleansing in South Ossetia. The world must help the Ossets.
ReplyDeleteIt is Georgian army who killed more than 1000 Ossetian civilians (actually more than 1400 in just first 24 hours) and it was Georgians who was planning an armored blitzkrieg on South Ossetia. What kind of expert you are if you blindly believe in CNN propaganda?
ReplyDeleteGod! Another American fearing the big bad Soviets ... grow up ... its not the Cold War any more, even the Cold War wasn't the Cold War, it was all a big American fantasy. Imagine, Americans criticizing Russia for protecting its borders while American soldiers occupy nations thousands of miles away and sell off their resources to the highest bidders. Oh, by the way, Ferdinand deserved what he got (though his wife didn't) and in the end Princip got what he was fighting for. Your misuse of historical allusion is as sad as your belief in the evil of foreigners.
ReplyDeleteOf course, we get the same Russian propaganda in the posts here. A sovereign country, that has Russians stationed on its OWN territory for years against its will, is now invaded. And the Russia apologists are now all out in force.
ReplyDeleteIf we're worried about ethnic cleansing, what about CHECHNYA? Russians out of the CAUCASUS NOW!
There has been heavy propoganda on both sides, so it is nearly impossible to arrive at a reasonable amount of truth directly.
ReplyDeleteIndirectly, there are two things:
1) There have been two major conflict points: Ts'khinvali town, which was attacked by Georgians and Gori town, which was attacked by Russians.
Russian media claimed more than 1000 civilians killed in Ts'khinvali. Georgia claimed more than 1000 civilians killed in Gori.
There are horrible photos from Gori. Despite claiming the heavy casualties, Russian media has still so far been unable to produce similar evidence.
2) Russia extended its attacks on what is internationally recognized as Georgian territory, going even outside the original conflict zone.
This is called war, rather than peacekeeping as it was portreyed by Russian media.
Mrozek - South Ossetia is called "Samachablo" and you Russians have renamed it after 1921 invasion to Georgia in 1922 to "South Ossetia"
ReplyDeleteHow can Georgia "invade" it's own teritory?
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-65820#
natasha - That's what they tell you on Russian TV... But god damn it, read the Human Rights Watch reports... http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/28/georgi19712.htm
Russian soldiers were killing Chechens, Ingush and now are killing Georgians, have a mind of your own! Wake the fuck up!
Only 47 people have been killed in Tskinvali and 90% were armed bandits from North Caucasus.
Alexander Fedorov - READ The damn HRW report!
http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2008/08/pavel_felgenhauer_on_russias_p.htm
You Russians have NO shame at all! You murdered 50.000 Chechen children and now point fingers at the other and invade them? YIU ARE A PATHETHIC NATION!